Here is the one higher resolution pic of the post-Oct44 gallery #132 that I have. Not sure that the number can be determined from this copy. I think the gallery pics are from when Hartmut first started, so maybe he can shed some light on this one?
Hi Chris & Hartmut,
Yes, it 's difficult to make out any kind of number on the above pic. The last digit even looks like it could be an '0' ?
Looking at these pics from your earlier post Chris, the pre-Okt Tiger does look very much like '132';
Here's a copy of the same pic that I found on the HD:
Hopefully there's a clear copy of the 2nd post-Okt Tiger pic somewhere that might show us more.
This photo is the opening photo from Restayn's 'Tiger I on the Eastern Front':
It has always puzzled me. The location looks the same as the '201'/'231' photos, but it doesn't look to match with either of them.
There's a lot of differences. Most obvious, to me it looks as if it has no turret bin?
Maybe one for the 2/Ko. unidentified?
I'm afraid I don't see the sidecar item you are highlighting. The base of the item in the first pic is behind the grab bar, but in the second pic there is nothing in that location. Given its shape it can't be freestanding (can it?) so surely there ought to be something there in the second photo.
The unknown behind 223 has a central headlamp which if factory fitted should eliminate 201 as a possibility because it has S-Mines. There are several Tigers we do not know that this could be. It might be from outside 2Kp.
Returning to an earlier discussion, the parked Tiger being passed is in the gallery as 224 still. Previously #100 was suggested but maybe it is 101. 200 can be eliminated on whitewash pattern and 201 again because of its S-Mines. Any thoughts?
Here's how it looks to me;
I don't think the item is behind the grab handle fixed to the side-car.
I think it's fixed to grab handle itself.
I see a angled foot plate here; fixed to the outside edge of the grab handle (at it's widest part) :
So from the side shot it would look something like this:
I've still no idea what it is?
I thought maybe it's something to hang an MG in if needed.
There's no standard MG mount fitted on this one.
'224' (or not)
I had read your earlier post doubting it's '224' I.D.
I agree with what you said but had nothing I could add.
I had all the pics of this one in it's own file but couldn't find anything.
On this pic of yours it does look very much like '101':
The idea that it would be '224' I always found strange because of this pic:
It's here parked with at least 3 other Tigers as Tigers of the 2.Ko.- 2.Zug ride by?
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Chris posted about these 3./Ko. unidentified 'Haircut' Tiger pics on page1:
Unfortunately I don't have larger copies of these pics to compare crewmen/features properly..
But could this Tiger be '332'?
They both miss the front right mudguard.
They both have whitewashed turret spare link swung out and loose from the top clamp.
The first '3' is in same position in relation to the turret vision port.
The two crewmen look similiar?
If it is '332'? The photos must have been taken at different times.
As that in the 'haircut' pics the headlight is fitted, and not in the 'eating' pic.
Maybe someone with decent copies of the haircut pics can better compare?
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sorry but I do not have those two pics. The suggestion of a match to '332' is plausible but as the Scots might say 'not proven'. There are no obvious matches in the whitewash, even allowing for the pictures not being taken at the same time.
"BTW are we sure this is '301' rather than '300'?"
I asked myself the same question not so long ago.. (I'm planning to model this Tiger)
Personally, I think it is the same Tiger, they both look to have the same damage in places:
The middle of the left fenders have the same twist and the top inside edge of the left exhaust shroud looks to be bashed inwards.
The Balkenkreuz is higher up in the bottom pic but I think this has been repainted after the whitewash was removed:
One for the gallery, this pic of '223' courtesy of Oliver Filla :
I was planning on trying to backdate a CyberHobby 6660 'mid' kit.
I should have another rear hull plate in the spares box.
Add the 'feifel' mounts and I have a spare 15ton jack from a 'Fehrmann' kit.
I want to build this '301' because there's pics of it from all sides and it has the production period features I like;
between the stopping of the pistol port and the start of the external travel lock.
why the first Tiger in the section "Kompanie nicht identifizierzt", the mysterious "1" is a sPzAbt 501 Tiger? There is a second tiger visible in the background. This is an early Tiger I with smoke granade launcher on the rear corner of the hull. My understanding was allways, that 501 had no early Tiger I's on the eastern front.
Another point is, that the white winter camouflage was spared out around the Balkenkreuz. This was only rarely seen on 502 Tigers but more often on 502 Tigers.
What do you think?
ich denke montierte Minenwerfer beweisen nicht, das der Tiger im Hintergrund eine frühe Ausführung ist. Es gibt einige Fotos von mittleren Tigern der 501, die ebenfalls noch Minenwerfer montiert haben.
Wie Du schon erwähnt hast, hatten auch die Tiger der 501 teilweise das Balkenkreuz aus der Wintertarnung ausgespart. Auch hier gibt es ein paar Beispiele, wobei man sagen muss, diese Tiger/Beispiele sind bisher nicht 100% sicher zuzuordnen.
Andersherum kann ich aber auch nicht beweisen, dass der von Dir angesprochene Tiger sicher der 501 angehörte. Für mich ist es bisher jedoch die wahrscheinlichste Variante, denn es scheint an der Turmseite auch ein Teil einer 501 Nummer erkennbar zu sein. Es gibt keinen Hinweis einer typischen 502 Modifikation an diesem Tiger.