This is a very nice photo, and important I think, because it actually shows 2 Befehlstigers.
If you look closely at the half hidden tiger you can see it has a roof antenna and you can just make out the star antenna:
Also it looks to be match for this Tiger:
Again you can see it has a forward bending roof antenna behind the fully opened loaders hatch (same as the Tiger in your pic and the pic we already have of 'I')..
..and the star antenna can just be seen (inline with and behind the Panther antenna).
Again, a great pic. It could well be 'I' and 'II' together.
Thanks for sharing,
As you say not the same Tiger in the second pic.
It's difficult to tell the exact camera angles or as you say, if the Tigers have moved between shots. Plus the Tigers look to be staggered about and not parked in a straight line.
A closer look at this one, definitely a Befehlstiger:
As usual with Tiger pics, there's someone sat in front of the turret number..
Don't know if it's enough for an ID? But the Fahrer is wearing the same headgear as in this pic of 'I':
Gallery size if you decide to add it:
No new ID but I always thought these photos were taken at the same scene. I think it's the same panzerman in both pics.
Trouser braces under the epilettes and the cap piping:
If you're busy with the 'Bäke' gallery at the moment? There are these Unidentified Tigers that might be worth adding.
This one, I think?, was originally the back cover photo on the hardback edition of the 'Combat History...503' :
..and this well known pic. The Panther's features look to match those of Bäke's:
Don't have the original hardback copy of 'Combat History...503' but this photo is also on the cover of Alfred Rubbel's book 'Schwere Panzer (Tiger) Abteilung 503'. It is captioned as being taken in the Workshop Company at Smerinka in December 1943.
Just encountered this picture of Tigers belonging to the "Gruppe Bäke" in a private album belonging to an escapee from the Korsun Pocket encirclement.
As I studied this battle for many years and being a multilingual guide (had already several visits and groups to the Korsun area), I know the terrain very well.
The tigers in this picture belonged to the "Gruppe Bäke" and are here pictured in the outskirts (I guess in 'Oktyabr' - the North-Eastern part of Lyssyanka - closest to their battle positions on Hill 239). Gruppe Bäke also used Pz.V (Panther) and there are also pictures of these Pz.V in the album. Any interest?
A great photo. Thanks for sharing and also for the Potash photo.
A cut copy of this same photo can be found in the 'Tiger zuordern' 'Unidentified Tiger I' thread.
I believe it came from ebay quite a while ago, this copy:
Great to finally know they are 'Bäke' Tigers, and also to have a location.
I for one would be very interested in seeing any 'Bäke' Panther photos.
506 numbers were on the forward turret side and would be visible here, but no trace of turret numbers can be seen on these three Tigers. In contrast 503 numbers were on the middle of the turret side and would be hidden when track links were stowed (as here).
The absence of visible numbers should support an identification of 503.
Not seeing a turret number on a blurry photo means nothing. We have experience with that.(I btw know where 506 had his turret number painted)
506 get their early mid productions earlier then 503 and so it is not unusual to see a single headlight on the early position(hull roof), in fact many 506 Tiger show that. Did you have seen any confirmed Bäke Tiger who had not allready the single headlight on the front plate?
The Tigers in this pic are showing the headlight in the old position.
Another point is the missing front outer wheel on the Tigers. This well known technic we see on several 506 Tigers, but it is not known on Bäke Tigers.
Many Bäke Tigers had the turret spare tracks not in place because of the turret number painted there. These Tigers here had them all in place.
Not all copies of this photo are so blurry. I am fairly confident these three do not show a number.
You may be on to something with the issue date. I do not know any confirmed photos of "Bäke Tigers" with single headlamp on the hull roof, but that does not preclude a 503 survivor from the summer. The book 'Tiger Project vol.2' captions 503 Tigers entrained at Sanok in March 1944 with the single headlamp in the early position.
Leaving off the front outer road wheel is indeed a common practice in 506, but is not unknown on 503. mids. Examples include 232, 301 and 311
Horst Krönke served in the sPzAbt 503 with January 44 to June 44.In the 1 CO.
At the Workshop Company of sPzAbt 503, January 1944, Schmerinka.
Tiger of 1Co. by Winniza from january 20-31.Photo Horst K.
more Tiger 311
The crew of Tiger 100; WernerGrasse, Fahrer; Franz-Wilhelm Lochmann,Funker;Herbert Ritscher,Ladeschutze; and Heinz Mundry,Richtschutze, as photographed by their Panzerkommandant Horst Krönke.Blondel/Pascal gave one photo above.
First Sherman of Horst Krönke.
By the book:"Horst Krönke-schwere panzer(Tiger) abteilung 505". The Tiger Project.
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