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John Winner
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There seems to be much confusion in the placement of certain vehicles with certain units. If anyone would like to lend a hand with unraveling this mystery it would be appriciated.

Information I have gathered so far:
All information sourced. (#) designates source at the end of this post.

Stu.Mrs.Kp. 1000:
Fgst.Nr. 250174, 250237(3), 250327, 251168, 250091, 250230.(1 for all numbers)

Active in: Warsaw(1,3), Hungary(1), Elsdorf-Gemünd area during "Wacht am Rhein"(1,2,3), west of Trier(2), Alsatian border(2)

Stu.Mrs.Kp. 1001:
Fgst.Nr. 250471, 250051, 250103, 250043(1 for all numbers)

Active in: Düren area(1,2), Euskirche(1,2), some area during "Wacht am Rhein"(1,2,3), Drolshagen(near Bonn)(1,2)

Sturmtiger near Düren captured by 30th (US) Inf.Div 28 Feb 1945
Sturmtiger at Drolshagen captured by 8th (US) Inf.Div 11 April 1945.

Stu.Mrs.Kp. 1002:
Fgst.Nr. ????

Active in: Reichswald area(1,2), Reinsberg(1,2), Dorsten(1,2), Kirschellen(1,2), Polsum(1,2), Marl(1,2), Datteln(1,2), Menden(1,2)

All 3 units were redesignated as Stu.Mrs.Bttr. 1000, 1001, 1002 on 23 Jan 1945

Sources fo this information:
1) Waldemar Trojca and Markus Jaugitz, Sturmtiger and Sturmpanzer in Combat, Model Hobby (2008, Poland)
2) Wolfgang Schneider, Elefant-Jagdtiger-Sturmtiger: Rarities of the Tiger Family, Schiffer (1990, USA)
3)Thomas Jentz, Panzer Tracts 08, Darlington (1999, USA)

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Hi,

Does anyone have the numbers of the other eight reused hulls.

Cheers, Simon.

25.11.2014 23:49
Timm H.G. Haasler
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Hi John,

I don’t know which sources Thomas used but I guess he was referring to the Tank Allocation Lists of the General der Panzertruppen, BAMA signature RH 10/349 and RH 10/350. There are only two pages related to the “Sturm-Mörser” and these pages (for October 1944 & December 1944) are providing the eight hull numbers we know about.

By the end of October 1944 the situation looked like this:
• Sturm-Mörser-Kompanie 1000 was in the Warsaw area with two tanks after it had returned from Budapest. Two more Sturm-Mörser had been allocated to the company on 26 October and it is likely that these two tanks had not arrived so far. No hull numbers were provided, and the report leaves it open if these figures were considering the lost Sturm-Mörser in Hungary, which must have been lost between 17-20 October.
Overall status of the company: 4 Sturm-Mörser on hand.
• Sturm-Mörser-Kompanie 1001 had received four Sturm-Mörser after 10 October. These tanks had the hull numbers: 250043, 250051, 250103, 250471. Note, statements in TIIF are claiming that the Prototype and the Sturm-Mörser lost in Hungary both had the hull number 250043! I think both statements are wrong.
Overall status of the company: 4 Sturm-Mörser on hand.
• Panzer-Ersatz-Abteilung 500 had two Sturm-Mörser in ist inventory. One tank with the hull number 251174 had been transferred to the battalion on 12 October while the other tank was named “Gußeisen” (Cast Iron) instead of showing a hull number. I consider this tank to have been the prototype.
Overall status of the battalion: 2 Sturm-Mörser on hand.
• 1 Sturm-Mörser, hull number 250237 still was at the Borsig manufacturing plant, while 2 Sturm-Mörser, no hull numbers provided, were on hand in the Heeres-Zeug-Amt (Depot) Senne.

By the end of December 1944 the situation looked like this:
• Sturm-Mörser-Kompanie 1000 had four Sturm-Mörser with the hull numbers: 250091, 250230, 250327, 251168.
• Sturm-Mörser-Kompanie 1001 still had the four Sturm-Mörser with the hull numbers: 250043, 250051, 250103, 250471.
• Sturm-Mörser-Kompanie 1002 had received four Sturm-Mörser: hull number 250237 which had been with Borsig in October, hull number 251174 which had been with Panzer-Ersatz-Abteilung 500 in October and the two Sturm-Mörser which had been in the Senne depot in October. Unfortunately, again no hull numbers were provided.
• Panzer-Ersatz-Abteilung 500 still had the “Gußeisen” Sturm-Mörser on hand in December.

So we know that the Sturm-Mörser captured in Oberembt had the hull number 250327 and that this tank was allocated to Sturm-Mörser-Kompanie 1000 in December 1944. If you consider the statement by the POW, it seems clear that the tank still belonged to this company in March 1945. The tank was shipped to Bovington, UK, for further testing by the Allies.

We also know that the Ebendorf Sturm-Mörser had the hull number 250174. This tank was allocated to Sturm-Mörser-Kompanie 1002 and was shipped to Aberdeen Proving Ground, USA, in 1945 before it was returned to Germany and is now on display in Munster.

Hope that helps,
Timm

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Not sure if these hints hepls, but here they are:

Rumours
There is an order issued by Gen. Insp. d. Pz.Trp on April 7th 1945 to form a KG from the remnants of the 116. Panzerdivision. The KG will include one platoon with mortars on Tiger chassis (4 mortars).

http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=23819

In the book “700 Jahre Stadt Rietberg, 1289-1989” are mentioned three Tigers on 1 April:
„Hier standen an der Mastholter Straße zwischen Südtor und Abzweigung Bokeler Str. drei Tiger-Panzer auf die Haubitzen aufgebaut waren, - der Rest einer noch 20 Mann umfassenden Sturm-morser-Kompanie“.

So I wonder if these three Sturmtigers were from the Kp1002 attached to the 116 Pz Div and escaped the Ruhr pocket through Rietberg, and were later reattached to the “116 KG”. They did not reached this unit and two of them ended in Brumby and Ebendorf. Maybe this means that there were not 18 sturmtigers.

What happened to the third Sturmmörser? Here a theory: It ended in a KG of the 2nd Panzer Division near Hof, in May 1945.

http://www.1stinfantrydivision.de/forum/...-besatzungszeit

Who knows how to convert these hints in facts?
Regards,

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A number of documents apparently belonging to a Lt HERAND, Ln Off from HGru H Headquarters, were found by 66th Armd Regt, 2nd AD in area S of GUTERSLOH. Lt HERAND was charged with the stablishment of a tank Parts Depot for HGru H at BECKUM. Among the documents was an updated, handwritten chart which appears to give the present tank and assault gun strength of all subordinate units of HGru H. The date of the document cannot be definitely determined, but is assumed to be after 5th March 45 when Lt HERAND was transferred from HGru B to HGru H. Other papers covering the same subject were dated from 1st to 21st Mar.

In the chart there is an Asslt How Btry 1002 with 6 Asslt Guns on Mk VI (2 in short-term maintenance, 1 in long-term maintenance, 3 ready for combat)

A good year for all,

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From a PW report:

"The deserter at the cage was a Landescheutz, or full-duty Home Guard man, who lived in Vettweiss. He arrived at the cage in civilian clothes. He said that up until two days ago there were in Vettweiss two tremendous self-propelled mortars. The PW had no idea of the calibre of the mortars, which were mounted in specially reinforced King Tiger tank chassis, but said he had been told by a member of the crew of one of them that the shell weighed 700 pounds. The shells were loaded into the mortars by a system of blocks and tackles, pulleys and cranes. The crew member told the PW that the mortars had been used in the siege of Warsaw, and that they were designated as support weapons with a maximum range of 12,000 yards. The two machines in Vettweiss were the remnants of a battery of four – the only such battery on this front. One of the weapons had been damaged, and another was out of commission because it needed a new tube. The last two remained in Vettweiss, except for sorties to the bank of the Roer to get off a few rounds until two days ago. They were supposed to withdraw earlier, but they had run out of gasoline. Evidently enough gasoline arrived to take them to Hurrem (2758), because that was where they were going, according to the PW´s chatty friend."

MfG

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Hi Javier,

Did the PW report show any date?

Regards,
Timm

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Hi Javier,

I found the G2-Report - 1st US Inf Div, dated 28.02.1945 - so no need to answer any more. Augenzwinkern

Best regards,
Timm

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Sorry Timm, I found your question a little late, but I take the occasion to mention this 3rd AD report. Railroad gun or sturmtiger?

- 26 Feb 45 - 5 Stars to Victory book
"Tragedy struck just as plans had been completed for the attack on Elsdorf, scarring our recent successes with bitterness. Perhaps the largest calibre shells that ever fell on any of the elements of our task force hit Giesendorf. The first round demolished an entire house, leaving in its place a deep hole partially filled with bricks, fragments flew for a hundred yards, blasting everyone within that distance off their feet. Many of the pieces found precious targets, one killing Lieutenant Harrington, another mortally wounding Captain Peters from the 391st Field Artillery. Other fragments killed the infantry company commander, wounded Lieutenants Paulsen and Jones, plus a lesser number of enlisted men. The most common speculation was that we had been fired upon by a 380 millimeter railroad gun."

Regards,
Javier

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Hi Javier,

No problem!

Thanks for this new information. With elements of Stu.Mrs.Kp. 1000 in Oberembt on 26 February 1945, there is no doubt that the members of 3rd US Arm Div were killed by a shell fired from a Sturmtiger and not by a railroad gun. As far as I know, the largest railroad gun in this area had a calibre of 28cm only.

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BTW, the distance between Oberembt and Giesendorf is 4 kilometers, i.e. within the range of a Sturmtiger.

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The FMS988 includes Batteries 1000 and 1001 among the units of the LXXXI Korps. Vettweiss is on the southern boundary of the Korps. Maybe was Kp1001 in the northern edge?

FMS:
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x331...zpsqlnwoqz1.jpg

Map:
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA...A-E-Last-VI.jpg

Regards,

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