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Thema: Franz Eschner
David Byrden

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RE: Fahreransicht, Drivers veiw 12.07.2018 19:50 Forum: sPzAbt.506

Zitat:
Original von Jonas Rosberg
This picture of the drivers seat...can it be taken by Franz ?


This is a British photo of Tiger "131" at Bovington.

David

Thema: Villa La Sfacciata Then and Now
David Byrden

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RE: Villa La Sfacciata 24.06.2018 02:12 Forum: sPzAbt.508

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If the second Tiger was lost at Villa La Sfacciata, the height of the wall with the bank above suggests a location about 100 yards towards Galuzzo. Branches (olive?) lie on the ground in front of the tank. The wall contains similar vertical slits to allow water to drain through, but the wall seen in 2012 does not appear quite as tall as that seen in the wartime photo.



Chris.


I have found this spot, once again by identifying the same bricks. The wall is in fact exactly as tall today as it was then. The Tiger's position was such that the end of its gun would just touch the road sign in your photo. It is 120 meters past the first Tiger.

Here's a page about these Tigers near Galuzzo.

David

Thema: Villa La Sfacciata Then and Now
David Byrden

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22.06.2018 23:18 Forum: sPzAbt.508

There's a simple way to confirm these locations.





As you deduced, this is immediately outside the gate of the villa.

There's also an account in the journal of 20 Battalion and Armoured Regiment.

The other two tanks gave covering fire and Heptinstall charged through the cutting ‘at fastest tank speed’. He had planned to turn sharp left up a side road at the far end, but the tank was going so fast that it reached the turn-off sooner than expected and nearly overshot it. Before the tank could turn it was hit by an 88-millimetre shell, probably fired by a Tiger tank lying in wait beside a house in the side road. The driver, Harold Chatterton,29 was killed instantly; the rest of the crew baled out on to the road but were mown down by a hail of machine-gun fire. Heptinstall, the only survivor, landed on the right-hand side of the road and dived into a ditch.

So this is what happened to the Sherman. The Tiger beside it was probably the tank that knocked it out, from a hiding place on the entrance road to the villa. To reach its final position beside the Sherman it simply had to drive forward, or possibly just roll downhiill without using its engine.

The journal says that two Tigers were found destroyed in this area the following morning. It says nothing about this Tiger being knocked out. I can't see any penetrations in this Tiger.

David

Thema: Photo locations
David Byrden

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15.06.2018 12:38 Forum: sPzAbt.508

Zitat:
Original von Chris Brown
The hills behind are a good match.



Frustratingly, not a perfect match. But that's the only possible match on the Cori-Artema route.

David

Thema: Photo locations
David Byrden

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15.06.2018 02:30 Forum: sPzAbt.508



I believe this one is at 41°39'19.34"N 12°53'40.06"E

In other words, it's just a kilometer out of Cori heading north.

What do you think?

David

Thema: Photo locations
David Byrden

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14.06.2018 15:12 Forum: sPzAbt.508

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Original von David Byrden

I think it to be Nagel's Tiger lost on 23 May.



Well, Chris proved me wrong on that idea. Unpublished photos show another Tiger destroyed nearby. So I went looking again.

My problem was the railway station in the photo. It has disappeared from the earth without trace. So I ended up at the most similar surviving station instead. I didn't expect two battles near a railway line.

Now, the other photos show the hills behind Velletri, which told me the approximate area to look in; and they show electricity pylons which still exist. Using a few other cues I found a spot which I am 100% sure of.

The battle must be 29 February 1944, when 4 Tigers were lost.

Here's my map of the attack on the Anzio bridgehead.

David

Thema: Photo of a Jagdtiger in Ulm...
David Byrden

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Photo of a Jagdtiger in Ulm... 11.06.2018 12:39 Forum: Jagdtiger

I don't know if this is new to you?




This and more is at Historical Media right now.

David

Thema: Is this a Tiger of the group?
David Byrden

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Is this a Tiger of the group? 11.06.2018 12:36 Forum: Kampfgruppe Schulze



Also posted on this page, at the moment, there are a few other photos that show "111" and some other vehicles that may be from the battle group;

Photo sales

David

Thema: Photo locations
David Byrden

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10.06.2018 01:27 Forum: sPzAbt.508

As Chris proposed long ago, this Tiger is by a railway station near Cisterna. A privately held aerial photo confirms the location.



The closest place name is Paoil.

Given that it's by the railway line, and apparently knocked out, and far from a road (therefore not demolished), I think it to be Nagel's Tiger lost on 23 May.

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 508 Italia 1944/45
David Byrden

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07.06.2018 01:01 Forum: sPzAbt.508

Volker Ruff has another photo of the Mid in the square in Cori;



Gallery size:



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Thema: Kp 3 Wrecks 1 & 2 in Cori
David Byrden

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05.06.2018 16:12 Forum: sPzAbt.508

Chris;

I looked more closely and tried to count Tigers.

I now think that the thing I indicated as a "gun" is in fact the hatch of the bridge Tiger.

The Mid Tiger is to the right of that.



There could be another Tiger behind it but I can't be sure.

David

Thema: Kp 3 Wrecks 1 & 2 in Cori
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05.06.2018 02:14 Forum: sPzAbt.508

To add to this interesting thread;



This Tiger was on the route from Cori to Giulianello. Perhaps one more of the losses on that day.



Re: the two Tigers found together at Cori. Both were moved off the Via Roma and into the town. This photo shows the Mid Tiger, but you can also see the Late Tiger behind the soldier, pushed into an orchard.


David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 508 Italia 1944/45
David Byrden

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04.06.2018 22:02 Forum: sPzAbt.508

I don't know if this one has been discussed (thanks, photo hosting sites!) but I don't see it in the gallery.

It's the one on the bridge in Cori.



We can identify it by the missing commander's hatch and raised arm; a white mark on the front hull wall near the MG; and a tiny black object on the turret roof above the telescope eye holes.

We can see another Tiger behind it; the one with its turret reversed. I have indicated its gun.



The houses behind it can clearly be seen in this other photo. It's on the bridge.

Gallery size:



And now we can identify this one, which has 2 photos:



The subtle stains on the lower hull front are a match to the above.

So we can reconstruct the story. The Tiger was by the roadside in the earliest photos, probably near to Cori like the two on the Via Roma. It may have been on the Via Roma iitself.
Somebody moved it into the square and onto the bridge. The Americans did move the two Tigers from the Via Roma into the square, so they may have done this. Or the Germans may possibly have rolled it onto the bridge before leaving Cori.
The Americans later tried to push it off the bridge, dislodging the front mudguard and getting it stuck in the wall.


Thanks to Jonas Rosberg for locating these.

David

Thema: Photo locations
David Byrden

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03.06.2018 02:18 Forum: sPzAbt.508

I can confirm that this one is truly in the village of La Romola.



Its location for this photo is exactly 43°41'43.30"N 11° 9'29.53"E

David

Thema: Photo locations
David Byrden

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02.06.2018 01:42 Forum: sPzAbt.508



This one could not be located from Street View photos because the roads are built up now.



But Google Earth's terrain model is pretty good (except for altitude), and when you add the hilltop houses onto the terrain model, it all lines up.



The Tiger's location is marked by this forecourt sign on route SS207.

We're north of Aprilia and the nearest settlement is called Fontana di Papa.

David

Thema: Photo locations
David Byrden

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01.06.2018 14:15 Forum: sPzAbt.508

This photo is not in the gallery.



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Thema: Photo locations
David Byrden

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31.05.2018 00:27 Forum: sPzAbt.508

A person named Marco Marzilli posted different information for this Tiger. I am currently asking him where his data comes from.

He said it was "on the road between Cori and Giulianello"

Looking at the various photos of this Tiger, it is not an easy one to locate. There are just a few features; the road; the shadows which tell us we're looking approximately north; a ridge of slightly high ground to the right of the road, not very far off; and a peculiar mound on the right side of the road almost immediately behind the tank. There is also a suggestion that the road bears to the right, curving around the big ridge. And finally, the Tiger is in a substantial ditch.




I have exhaustively searched the Cori-Giulanello road and there is exactly one spot that could be this. It has a ridge and a mound. The Google camera unfortunately doesn't hit the exact spot;



The mound is in fact the spoil resulting from the creation of a drainage tunnel under the road. After scanning roads here and at Poggibonsi, I can tell you this is a very unusual feature.



If this is the correct road, then this is the correct spot.

David

Thema: Photo locations
David Byrden

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31.05.2018 00:18 Forum: sPzAbt.508

We've always listed this one as being near Poggibonsi.



I don't know the source of this information, but it's repeated online that we're at Highway 6 near Poggibonsi, 20 miles south of Florence.

This is slightly problematic.

The nearest "Highway 6" to Poggibonsi is 22km away. Granted, soldiers are not exact when they note the location of a photo, but this particular highway leads into Siena and it's odd that anybody would associate it with Poggibonsi.

(Modern Italian highways retain their WW2 numbers.)

Another problem is that I simply cannot find a spot in Highway 6 that closely resembles the photos.

I also searched other roads close to Poggibonsi. I found three locations that looked similar to this, but none of them had a roadside ditch, and this Tiger is clearly sitting in a ditch.

But the biggest problem with the Poggibonsi location is a photo of this Tiger that we noticed on Ebay two years ago. This was written on the back;



In no way can Highway 6 be described as the "road to Rome". It is 200 kilometers north of Rome.

I think this location is invalid.

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie III./PR GD
David Byrden

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27.05.2018 17:47 Forum: III./Panzerregiment GD

This has just appeared on FB.



GD are one unit that painted large dark numbers on their turrets - both handpainted and stencilled.
This seems to be a Befehlstiger; I think that I can see an antenna base.
We have no photos of the "S01" issued to GD in mid 1943, but we know that it existed, and that an "S02" was given them, and it was an Early (even earlier than this one).

So I'm proposing that this is the corresponding "S01"

David

Thema: Colour of numbers Tigers from a sPzAbt.501
David Byrden

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27.05.2018 10:11 Forum: sPzAbt.501/424

Why do you think that they all had tiger logos? Is there any photograph to support this?

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 502 42/43
David Byrden

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08.04.2018 18:44 Forum: sPzAbt.502/511

A new photo of "100" has appeared.
The source is not given and there has been some doubt about authenticity. But I've compared it in great detail to Greg's big photo and the paint marks are compatible everywhere.

Photo of 100 on Facebook

David

Thema: Help needed on Aberdeen Tiger
David Byrden

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06.04.2018 18:20 Forum: sPzAbt.501/424

I've recently been looking at better copies of the photos, and thinking about the numbers of this Tiger.

I now doubt that it was ever "21". We certainly have no photos of it numbered "21".

I've summarised what I think is the story of Tiger 712.

David

Thema: Photo locations
David Byrden

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29.03.2018 01:58 Forum: sPzAbt.501/424

This photo of Tiger "712" was taken on the road "P1" that runs south from Enfidaville. The location is deduced from the distinctive shape of the hills in the distance, plus the fact that this straight run of road is aligned to a certain point on the hills.



Given that the Tiger has been renumbered "712", this must be after the tanks of the 501st were appended to the 504th.

There is only one occasion when Tigers of the 504 battalion took this route; the road march to Maknassy, 17-19 March 1943.

Given the position of the shadows, this is late evening.

Given the distance covered, and the remaining distance, it must be late evening of 17 March.

Here's my evidence that the photo shows Tiger 712 going to Maknassy.

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien
David Byrden

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28.03.2018 16:59 Forum: sPzAbt.501/424

The Bundesarchiv have added 9 more photos of Tiger "724" at El Jem in Tunisia.



We don't learn anything new from them, unfortunately.

Thumbnails and the Bundesarchiv pages are all linked from my event page "Tigers at El Jem"

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 502 42/43
David Byrden

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24.02.2018 02:13 Forum: sPzAbt.502/511

Two nice photos of "211" have been posted in Facebook. Click them immediately, before that annoying ad appears.

It can be identified by the snow patterns on its side matching a gallery photo. but also by its combination of features (S-mine supports, slanted front hull etc) which match only one of the 9 Tigers with the special turret bin.

Photo

Photo

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 501 Tunesien
David Byrden

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14.02.2018 10:51 Forum: sPzAbt.501/424

That is the turret of "811".



David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 4./SS-PR1
David Byrden

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11.02.2018 11:40 Forum: 4./SS-Panzerregiment 1 LAH

What reason have we to believe that a 3rd company of LAH had any Tigers? Apart from Tigers in Combat, that is.

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie SS PR.2
David Byrden

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30.01.2018 19:42 Forum: Schwere Panzerkompanie SS PR.2 Das Reich

Can somebody remember how we decided that these two photos show the same tiger?



They're both listed in the gallery as S14. Only one of them has a legible number.

The mantlet is different. However S14 had its mantlet removed at one point, so this could be the result. There's also the problem of the tanks being renumbered during the S period.



I can't find where the first photo was identified as S14 ?

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie SS PR.2
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29.01.2018 23:31 Forum: Schwere Panzerkompanie SS PR.2 Das Reich

When the "S" numbers were first applied, the company had 6 new unmarked Tigers on hand.

I've already listed the "S" numbers of the eight old Tigers in the company. It seems likely that the complete pattern of "S" numbers during Kursk was like so (the new Tigers are in bold) ;

01 02
11 12 13 14
21 22 23 24
31 32 33 34

We don't have photos of all these Tigers, but the photos from the Kursk era are compatible with this scheme. Other photos that we have, showing numbers such as S25, can date from after the third renumbering and so they don't invalidate this scheme.

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 8.SS 42/43
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18.01.2018 18:55 Forum: 8./SS-Panzerregiment 2 Das Reich

I'm assuming that these two are from the same scene, although I have only the
angle of the gun, the dress of the man and the fact that there are trees behind.
Does anybody disagree? The Bundesarchiv negative numbers would settle it of course.



David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 8.SS 42/43
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12.01.2018 19:16 Forum: 8./SS-Panzerregiment 2 Das Reich

I've added this to the gallery.
Chris, can you just confirm that "813" is legible? I can't read it on this little copy.



And this pair seem to be taken moments apart, but the angle of the loader's hatch confirms it:



Chris, you suggested this one to me as "821", but can you be sure that it's not "S21"? Is there a date for it?
I don't see the divisional rune on the rear wall, which makes me favour "821".



This one is obviously the same scene (sunlight in the same direction, both taken from an aircraft, same tank).
You point out that its cross doesn't yet have the white outline, which again points to "821" rather than "S21".



David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 8.SS 42/43
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12.01.2018 02:45 Forum: 8./SS-Panzerregiment 2 Das Reich

This one is undoubtedly "Tiki", because of the turret camouflage (and the unusual type of mantlet).



The hull camouflage is almost impossible to make out, but clearly the hull is filthy.

So this can be 812, 833 or S34.

We can rule out S34 because the smoke launchers were removed during the 833 period, at the latest.

Given the amount of white colour that I see in the area of the turret digits, I would think it's 812.
And I'm also persuaded by the spare wheel lying on the glacis plate. It looks very much like the spare wheel carried around on this day:



And on that day, the tank was "812". What do you think?

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 8.SS 42/43
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12.01.2018 02:32 Forum: 8./SS-Panzerregiment 2 Das Reich

Chris forwarded me this gallery-size photo:



It's a whitewashed Tiger wreck near a tree, the cross suggests DR, and we have two candidates.

First, look at "831" :



In this photo all the wheels are gone, but on the right hull side, the rear half remains white.

The mystery photo would be taken earlier since many road wheels remain. BUT the mystery tank has dirt on the rear side well past the half way mark.

Furthermore, "831" has dirt reaching all the way to the front hull side, and it seems clear that it was deposited while the side skirts were in place. The mystery tank has no dirt at its front.

I also can't see any sign of the bottom of the sponson being blown out, no matter how I enhance the photo of 831. And why should it be? The tank hit a mine.

I don't think it can be a match for 831.

The other candidate is this unknown Tiger which is almost certainly "842" though I don't want to sort it just yet;



The wheels on its right side are already compatible with the mystery photo. The environment (trees) is compatible.



We can't see more, but really there are no other candidate tanks from DR that were lost during the whitewash period.

I think they are the same Tiger.

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 8.SS 42/43
David Byrden

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11.01.2018 19:46 Forum: 8./SS-Panzerregiment 2 Das Reich

There are some dates in "Tigers in Combat" which may help.

20 April 1943 : General Kruger's speech.
"Tiki" has solid white numbers on this date.
We have not seen any other DR Tiger with solid white numbers. We know that "832" did not have solid white numbers at any time. Probably "Tiki" was marked up specifically for the ceremony.

24 April 1943 : Himmler's visit.
At least three Tigers have hollow white digits on this date.

Now, here is my theory:
- ALL of the Tigers got hollow white digits between 20 and 24 April, including "Tiki" which became "833".

Why do I say that? Could Tiki not be "812" on 24 April?
Look at the complete list of hollow white numbers. There are 3 platoons with 2 Tigers each. They are numbered in a simple pattern.

802
811
813
821
823
831
833

If "Tiki" was still "812" on the 24 April, then this pattern would be broken.

So, I am concluding that a complete renumbering of the entire company took place between 20 April and 24 April.

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Staff Tigers:

TIC2 speaks of the original Staff Tigers as "801" and "802". The photos tell us that this is wrong.

It says that the "Chefpanzer", which we would conclude to be "800", sank on 25 February.

In March it says that "801" was in action, which is credible. But it also says that "801" used to be "802". Again, the photos disagree. I think that somebody's memory was bad about this issue.

The remaining Staff Tiger should have become "802" in the renumbering in April. We have one photo of "802" which is said to be taken on 1 May.

So I must conclude that this is one of the errors in the TIC books.

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 8.SS 42/43
David Byrden

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11.01.2018 02:41 Forum: 8./SS-Panzerregiment 2 Das Reich

Zitat:
Original von Hartmut von Holdt
The plan for summer 43 was probably to number the command Tiger 801 and 802 and thats the reason we see the 802 on former 801 and the awaitet old 800 was planed as the new 801.


Is it possible that this Tiger was already renumbered as 801 when it sank underwater?

Zitat:
Original von Hartmut von Holdt
"Das Reich" paint new numbers on all Tigers just for one day when Himmler inspected the Kompanie.


Are we sure of that?
It does look like a "rush job"... the broken template numbers are not connected, and "823" was painted without obscuring the old "832", but are we sure that this renumbering happened for Himmler's visit?

Zitat:
Original von Hartmut von Holdt
"Tiki" was 812 but renumbered for a day to 833 and a day later to S34.


I don't have the book that you are reading. Was it really just one day? I thought that the S-numbers were used because new Tigers arrived. Certainly these new Tigers were not added on to the end of the sequence, they have low numbers like S12 and S14. So, did all of this happen the day after Himmler's visit?

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 8.SS 42/43
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RE: EBAY 10.01.2018 00:58 Forum: 8./SS-Panzerregiment 2 Das Reich

We were thinking that this should be 841.

Zitat:
Original von Rob Fraser


Its number ends with "1" and it has a reinforced mantlet, so there are only two candidates, 811 and 841.

I can confirm your decision. Look at the front of the right side skirting.
The triangular end panel is not whitewashed on this tank. That is a feature of 841 but not 811.



Also, if we line up the front hull walls of the two tanks, we can see a precisely matching dark spot, and closer to the MG ball there are some dark areas and patches that also match closely.



David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 8.SS 42/43
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09.01.2018 19:01 Forum: 8./SS-Panzerregiment 2 Das Reich

I think this one is "842".



Here I compare it to a known photo of "842":



- Flat mantlet, which cuts the number of candidates in half
- Trunnion is not whitewashed properly. No other candidate has a dark trunnion.
- Dark area around the eye holes
- Dark area on the raised curved area beside the eye holes
- Dark marks on the left thick area of the mantlet.

David

Thema: Unidentified Tiger I Mid-Production
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07.01.2018 21:27 Forum: Tiger zuordnen

There's a Tiger on this page that's said to be near Kiev, but I would not limit my search to there. What do you think?

Early Tiger wreck

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie 8.SS 42/43
David Byrden

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07.01.2018 01:58 Forum: 8./SS-Panzerregiment 2 Das Reich

I believe this to be 811.



I can rule out most of the Tigers but there are a few good candidates. The evidence for 811 isn't strong enough to warrant a Gallery move but I would put money on it.

David

Thema: Ergänzung zur Gallerie SS PR.2
David Byrden

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06.01.2018 23:22 Forum: Schwere Panzerkompanie SS PR.2 Das Reich

Is it possible for me to rearrange the galleries to represent the different periods? At the moment there is confusion about what number is from when.

David

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